Coop Farming Walkthroughs, Low-REM Edition

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  1. RNGtan

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    Since we have got access to more potent farming teams we almost always try to clear dungeons in a fashion that requires the least amount of effort possible; firstly, because some of the maximum skill up levels are absurdly high and secondly, because theorycrafting a farming team is a puzzle in itself. We don't have access to the optimal cards. In fact, one of us does not have Liu Bei.
    There are several self-imposed conditions:

    • The burden of REM is on one player. However, we will try not to overextend their capabilities.
    • The one player definitely has Liu Bei.
    • The other player has no Liu Bei.
    • The other player will not use REM if possible. 4* cards get a pass.
    • Both players have at least two Goemons and two Tengus.

    The result may not be necessarily the fastest version possible but it should be fairly affordable for the average player. Without further ado, let's get started!

    Latest!!
    Cosmo Crusader Descended!
    Khepri Descended!
    Linthia Descended! v2

    Special Dungeons:
    Zeus-Dios Descended!
    Indigo Descended!

    Coin Dungeons:
    Descended Carnival 1
    Descended Carnival 3
    Ultimate God Rush!
    Linthia Descended!



    Resources:
    5 combo Vaan-Dios board
    6 combo Vaan-Dios board
    7 combo Vaan-Dios board
     
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    Zeus-Dios Descended!

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    • Chinbowdra requires two skill ups.
    • No skill-ups on the Goemons required.
    Floor 1:
    P1 - Atsui-san, Goemon, swipe
    Floor 2:
    P2 - Chinbowdra, Goemon
    Floor 3:
    P2 - swipe
    Floor 4:
    P1 - Goemon, swipe
    Floor 5:
    P2 - Goemon, swipe

    Nothing better than to start a Low-REM walkthrough without any REM at all. This team is the cheapest one we can think off and also really economic because you won't have to put in any Flampys. Aside from the exp on the Goemons and maybe Atsui-san it only requires two skill ups on the Chinbowdra. If you use the real Raphael and Shaitan instead then you won't need any skill ups at all.
     
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    Descended Carnival 3

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    Floor 1:
    P1 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 2:
    P2 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 3:
    P1 - Dios, Vaan, 5 combos
    Floor 4:
    P2 - pass
    P1 - Nazca, Dios, swipe
    Floor 5:
    P2 - Dios, Vaan, 6 combos

    Skill bind has traditionally always been the most infuriating mechanic for a no-REM player to deal with and this one is no exception. Since farming Medjedra in his own dungeon is out of question until this bad boy gets released we will ride Descended Carnival 3 instead - though it still does come with its own share of annoying mechanics.

    The biggest speed bump of them all is Medjedra himself. In coop this preemptive strike will trigger before the player switch so Player 2 ends up with a switched friend leader. This forces you to pass via menu. The two combo shields are relatively easy to deal with when you combo Dios with Vaan or his blades but they are spaced out on floors with odd numbers which puts strain on Player 1. There is actually a way to farm this dungeon without any hippups at all but the Liu Bei player needs a real, max-skilled Vaan.


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    Floor 1:
    P1 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 2:
    P2 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 3:
    P1 - Dios, Vaan, 5 combos
    Floor 4:
    P2 - Dios, Beorc, swipe
    Floor 5:
    P1 - Nazca, Dios, Vaan!LiuBei, 6 combos

    The skills even line up perfectly.
     
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  4. Digity

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    I have collected a few videos which may help you if you're planning to farm stuff with bad rem luck.
    Kanetsugu! - Honorable Dragon Mythical


    Jormungandr Descended! - World Serpent Mythical


    Legelonte Descended! - Music Dragon Legend


    Draggie! - Dragon Knight? Legend


    Seraphis Descended! - Heavenly Winged Machine Mythical


    Star Justice Descended! - Iron Machine King Legend Plus
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NltQZjdql5A

    Gran Reverse Descended! - Inverted Eternal Dragon Mythical
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZSl6JvXrqU
    Machine Zeus Descended! - Mechanical War King Annihilation
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBpgUiKFI3w

    Machine Hera Descended! - Mechanical Queen Annihilation
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD2k2ayLUq0
    Ultimate Devil Rush! - Devils' Domain Mythical Plus
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cQnSZvtYtI

    Nordis Descended - Knight Dragon King Mythical Plus
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6sYq62yCNY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pSDpWy3Wck

    Scarlet Descended! - Hell Demon Mythical Plus
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61OTV2DhhYE

    Linthia Descended! - Dragon Queen of the Wind Mythical Plus
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGEyMGV2NOE
    Friday Dungeon - Sky Prison Mythical
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T8EbKe7-_k
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_72GguJJ-aQ

    Mechdragons' Massive Fortress / Wailing Wind
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mJoY9tgG-c

    Star Treasure Thieves' Den - Training Path
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnFaOa3G0Lw
     
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    @Digity

    Thank you very much for the help. We still prefer to write this guide in our own pace in order to avoid inconsistencies. For example, your Machine Zeus example requires a Machine Hera leader while your Machine Hera example requires Machine Zeus. We'll eventually getting there because Machine Zeus is an essential replacement for Liu Bei for people less fortunate.

    We could make you run Kaguya if we were desperate enough. No promises.
     
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    Descended Carnival 1

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    • Regular Tengu works, too, but may slow you down on Floor 3.
    • Poison can be used instead of Player 1's Kagato. Avoid dark attribute if possible.
    • Hathor does NOT work on Kaguya.
    Floor 1:
    P1 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 2:
    P2 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 3:
    P1 - Dios, swipe
    [P2 - Kagato]
    Floor 4:
    P2 - Dios, Vaan, 5 combos
    Floor 5:
    P1 - Aqua Keeper, Dios, swipe

    This dungeon is an element of uncertainty due to the dark Xuanzang. He absorbs light and as you know, Dios is sub light and the corner stone of almost everything on this thread. Sadly, there isn't a lot you can do about it. Player 1 can try not to put any dark in the team which only works when you have NY Tengu. Xuanzang surviving isn't exactly a common case in this example because it requires the dark one to spawn and light skyfall at the same time. Just in case, Player 2 can use a nuke that is left with Kagato and continue as usual. You can use any nuke that is not light, although the only ones we can think of are Noah, Satan and Lucifer, all cards who require skill ups.
    As for Kaguya: Sadly, Goemon falls short of clearing her resolve by a few thousands of HP so you have to go out of your way to deal with it. Note, that that is still Player 1 who would avoid dark if possible. The most available option that requires the least amount of effort is Aqua Keeper (Awoken Neptune) who doesn't need any skill ups at all. Copperhead from Batman and The Blues from Angry Birds will also work if you have them lying around. Other ways to deal with her that will require skill ups are Nordis, who we haven't covered yet, and what we personally use - Kagato again.


    We are trying to build a team that can tackle Linthia Mythical more reliably than a Zeus Dios leader. The next best option would be Kaguya. We don't need to skill her but our inner completionists compel us to do so.
    Also, skilling Tengu.
     
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    Hey @RNGtan nice work here. I have a Perseus x LB team for Linthia that I came up with the other day while trying to carry someone IRL. The other posts are kinda LB exclusive so I figure I'd post here instead :)

    Player A:
    LB/Dios/Dios/Balboa/A.Freyja

    Player B:
    Perseus/Dios/Dios/Dios/Griffin

    Floor 1 (A): Perseus (even a 5 orb match sweeped this floor)
    Floor 2 (B): Dios
    Floor 3 (A): LB
    Floor 4 (B): Dios
    Floor 5 (A): Balboa and any 3 green or any mass attack with sub-attribute
    Floor 6 (B): any 3 green or any mass attack with sub-attribute
    Floor 7 (A): Dios
    Floor 8 (B): Dios
    Floor 9 (A): Dios, A.Freyja and pass
    Floor 9 (B): Enhance and swipe

    No levels, no plus eggs and no inheritance needed. Don't need any skill levels apart from the Zeus Dioses. If player A doesn't have Freyja, her spot (on team A) can be swapped with orb enhance (on team B) and it'll have the same effect.
     
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    @wangatang0830 Thanks for the heads up. The problem is that we are trying to avoid cards too specific. Mythical requires a defense-to-0 skill because of the space constraints on the team. We don't have Baldoa and there is no real farmable alternative because Shiva's skill up is an enhance material and can't be skilled. There is hope, though. Once the skill-update for Odin Tamadra comes we will be able to defeat Linthia without an enhance.


    By the way, God Rush is probably next. That is the reason why we have raised Kaguya in the first place.
     
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    When Kenshin collab somes there'll be this guy available . Farmable defense void with SB, and super easy to skill up as he drops in the lowest difficulty (on 2x drop days).

    Also can you think of a farmable 2x green enhance option as an alternative to Freyja? If so the build can be made of all farmable subs :D
     
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    And he pops, too. Okay, that does not help but at least there will be a farmable defense nullifier.

    This is a low-REM guide, not a no-REM one so we allow 4* cards. God Saiga buffes Wood and Light by 2x so that is pretty much Freyja but better. However, in this team King Woodsie actually gives the bigger buff. Once Batman Collab returns we need to pick up Green Arrow. He is a 4* with an evolution which allows us to put him onto Kaguya.

    Anyway, finding strong, farmable orb enhancers is very easy compared to good type/color enhances. We should have picked up Yoruichi when Bleach was around. She also comes with the benefit of instantly activating Zeus-Dios.
     
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    Ultimate God Rush!

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    • Red sub-attribute on a real Vaan may cause Gaia to survive on red skyfall.
    • Satan may survive enhace-deprived boards.
    Floor 1:
    P1 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 2:
    P2 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 3:
    P1 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 4:
    P2 - [Fafnir!Kaguya,] Dios, swipe
    Floor 5:
    P1 - Dios, Vaan, 6 combos
    Floor 6:
    P2 - Woodsie, Dios, swipe

    We just went and did it. In execution this dungeon doesn't have any big surprises. Both Athena and Elia heal you which is annoying for a Dios leader but the real reasons why we won't lead with him here are the heavy-hitting preemptive strikes. You can't really consistently lower your HP to a safe level so one of us is leading with the next best thing in the box - Kaguya, of all cards.

    Actually, we don't have the optimal team as pictured because we use the real Vaan and not his blades. He has a red sub-attribute which may cause Gaia to survive now and then. It isn't anything drastic and Player 2 can pass and use Liu Bei to finish her off (and maybe bind-heal Kaguya) but is is fairly annoying nonetheless.

    Addendum: Satan may survive some particularly enhance-deprived boards. That won't be an issue because he won't kill you right away but it is still a little speedbump. The best way to fix that is to put Vaan on a card with many orb enhances of whatever color you desire (optimally not greed), though the cheap version is to put a damage enhancer on the team - which we just did because we have an abundance of green tans due to farming Myr.
     
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    Linthia Descended!

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    • You need the whole team awakened for enough skill boosts, even Anji.
    • Player 2 has full-ATK Dioses.
    • Doesn't matter whether the Dios player has the hypered Dioses or the Liu Bei player. It works either way but this way it lines up better ;)
    Floor 1:
    P1 - Liu Bei, row
    Floor 2:
    P2 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 3:
    P1 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 4:
    P2 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 5:
    P1 - Anji
    Floor 6:
    P1 - Heracles
    Floor 7:
    P1 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 8:
    P2 - Dios, swipe
    Floor 9:
    P1 - pass
    P2 - Dios, Beorc, swipe

    This is a very important milestone. Not only does it grant you the ability to farm MP, clearing Linthia also gives you access to Dub-mythlits and Mystic Masks 24/7.

    If you haven't already, FARM ANJI NOW. This card is the only farmable 100% defense breaker for a long time and in addition to that, he is a defense breaker with a nuke. No other card in the game can accomplish this feat so DO IT.

    With that said: The release of Anji from the Rurouni Kenshin dungeon has opened a way for a DIos co-leader to run this dungeon reliably. Before that there were two problems - firsty, you relied on not getting any heart skyfall on the stage stage 7 and 8; secondly, a full board with a fully hypermaxed Player 2 except for Beorc will not entirely kill Linthia. Thanks to Anji both issues can be dealt with elegantly with the help of a rather obscure card.
    Heracles has three effects in one unique blend. The first one is a nuke. Since Anji's defense break carries over to the Predras this will wipe them out and advance you one stage without any additional skills. The second one is his HP-to-1. With that it becomes almost impossible for skyfall to heal you to maximum even after Linthia deactivates the multiplayer boosts and reduces the maximum HP. Thirdly, this long-ass buff lasts for the rest of the dungeon and guarantees a kill on Linthia. Like with Anji, no other card in the game can accomplish all of these feats at once. Remember that he needs to be skilled and his dungeon doesn't come up that often so keep that in mind if you are even remotely interested in clearing Linthia this way.
     
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    Cool thread, keep it up!! :)
    Mainly interested in MZeus and MHera, also in many rogues.. maybe I'll get myself one or two Diosses to keep up with ALP players lmao
     
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    What about poison skyfall on the boss?
     
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    Right, looks like I never had the pleasure to experience this. The probability of getting screwed by poison is relatively low. You are only subjected to it one turn and you have three turns of potential heart skyfall.
    If you really want to be save then the new, upgraded skill of Zhao Yun might be an alternative since he also heals 25% of the max HP. We don't have him around right now but we would update the walkthrough should he turn out to be better.

    Mythical Plus is much harder to farm without a second Liu Bei leader because how long they are. Scarlet is quite short but all of them being fire makes Kaguya not feasible and the existence of Divine Queen makes Dios unsafe. Legend Plus should be quite easy in comparison. For example, we have max-skilled a Myr on Legend Plus with a Dios/LB setup which may or may not be the next project.

    The Mech dungeons all have a few mechanics that makes them hard to farm without using high-power, not skill-dependant leaders - like the bosses themselves. Hera has a damage shied somewhere in the dungeon while Zeus has his stupid combo shield which wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for the lock skyfall from the previous stage. We will look into them but right now it is difficult for a first-timer.
     
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    You got my full attention :D I really want to max skill her.
    Is this the direction? (video from above)
     
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    Similarly; we think Hera-Beorc is a tad bit overkill. Dios alone works in Legend Plus but for Mythical we want the PADX cards to be released.



    Kodachinotsukai deals with the first stage all by herself.

    Secondly, we are looking for a way not to use Avalon Drake or Sonia because of how rare they are (Disclaimer: We both have Avalon Drake). Cauchemar could be used but you definitely want six green orbs on the field so if he proves to be too inconsistent then I will probably bite the bullet and allow Avalon Drake in.

    It is basically REM minimizing at this point.
     
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    I'm still waiting for Scarlet descended~

    Indigo also(for reason) :rolleyes:
     
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    You don't have to pass if side A swaps Heracles for another Dios. I honestly think it's faster to do 1-combo pings than to fumble through menus and sit through a long-assed team-swap animation.

    A- Dios/Dios/Anji/Dios
    B- Dios x3/Beorc or Armadel

    1A- Dios
    2B- Dios
    3A- Dios
    4B- Bei row
    5A- Anji
    6A- match 3 yellow or green.
    7B- Dios
    8A- Dios
    9B- Dios + enhance
     
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    Scarlet is really straightforward.

    A- 3 Dios and Lilith; must have 2 SDR OR a filler skill inherit on one Dios.
    B- 3 Dios and Beorc.

    1A- Dios
    2B- Dios
    3A- Dios
    4B- Bei row
    5A- Lilith
    6B- Dios
    7A- 0 combo; eat delay > B- 1 green or yellow combo > A- Dios
    8B- Dios + enhance
     
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