Sumire and Friends vs. PaD (Alrescha, Uvo Blonia)

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  1. SkyknightXi

    SkyknightXi Member

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    Plotting out a potential team (a.k.a. trying to figure out what to angle for in the future)...

    *Sumire
    Sitri
    Awoken Isis (assist: Thumbelina)
    Andromeda
    ???
    *Sumire

    The ??? is to be filled by someone who can enhance water orbs (for use after an orb change situation where there still aren't any enhanced water orbs). The problem is finding one with good awoken skills. For the record, the creatures that CAN enhance water orbs are Kraken, Aldebaran, Wa/D Odin, Hera-Is, Lakshmi's non-Awoken forms, Wadatsumi, Ars Paulina, and Undine. (Remember that only Kraken, Odin, Lakshmi, and Undine can be assists.)

    Looking at the five characters I've decided upon, what we DO have for awakenings are:
    --Skillbind resist*6
    --Time extend*7
    --Skill boost*5
    --Enhanced water orbs*13
    --Enhanced heal orbs*2
    --Unbindability (Isis 100%)
    --Water row enhance*4
    --Bind recovery*1 (Andromeda)
    --Two-prong*1 (Andromeda)
    So now we just have to figure out what, if anything, needs amplification.
     
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  2. CURIOUSCOMP

    CURIOUSCOMP Flaccid Member

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    seems like you want a few more SB if you want some of them up on turn 1. prolly doesn't matter though (coop?).
     
  3. MisterDrgn

    MisterDrgn You can't take the sky from me. Staff Member

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    It's possible that you need to amplify your number of orb-changers more than anything else. I would not run this team with only three monsters who produce blue + hearts.
     
  4. mtb911

    mtb911 Disposable Assassin

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    Maybe this was answered earlier but does anyone know if you do the heart cross, the shield stays up until you take damage. Does the ATK buff stay active as well? I haven't evo'd mine yet as I don't have a light jewel yet...fixing that today I hope.
     
  5. nickjr

    nickjr Pushbutton kouhai of whale senpais

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    The 1.5x ATK (2.25x with dual Sumire leads) should stay as long as the shield is up. The 5x ATK should not. I find that looking for the semicolon in the leader skill helps with determining which buffs are together and which ones are separate--not just with Sumire but with all leads
     
  6. grinder

    grinder Well-Known Member

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    Is there anything that shows the shield is still up?

    I know when you make a cross, the orbs turn into fancy shields and there is a small DEF icon in the XP bar. Does that DEF icon stay there? Are there any other icons showing this?

    Off-topic, are you inheriting on your Sumire(s)?

    I'm thinking Sumire x3 / Nut w/ Andro / flex / Sumire for my base team. With A.Isis, Skuld, Andro or Gabe in the flex spot. With 4 Sumire's, I feel like maybe I should inherit on maybe 1 of them....
     
  7. mtb911

    mtb911 Disposable Assassin

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    I've seen people inherit Ryune on Sumire. For the most part people keep the Sumire's pure for the haste system.
     
  8. MisterDrgn

    MisterDrgn You can't take the sky from me. Staff Member

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    @mtb911 The shield/1.5x attack buff don't stay up until you take damage. They stay up for just one turn unless you kill the enemy and the next enemy has no pre-emptive (any pre-emptive action will end the shield, not just an attack).

    So, for example, if you get the shield but fail to kill the enemy, and then it's the enemy's turn but the enemy attack counter is greater than 1, so all that happens is the counter goes down 1, your shield will go away.


    I think you answered your own question there. Yes, it stays as long as your shield is up.
     
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  9. GrinD

    GrinD Too hard to cross and combo

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    Isn't it just easier to say that the shield and multiplier stays until the first opponent's turn? Doesn't matter what he does, if it's his turn, it's over. :v
     
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  10. MisterDrgn

    MisterDrgn You can't take the sky from me. Staff Member

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    Yeah, probably. I mean provided it's clear that "turn" includes pre-emptives.
     
  11. peanut666666

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    Is Rinoa from the Final Fantasy Collab a reasonable substitute for A. Isis?
    Being an unbindable 7-CD bind clearer with haste, she seems like a better fit for such a haste reliant team.
     
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    Hi, uh feel free to add me for Ultramax Sumire (3 Hp 2 SDR) ;)
     
  13. Sherufanir

    Sherufanir Eschamali unlocked <3

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    Rolling Sumire, only subs I have for her are Gabriel and Navi. No one else creates Heart orbs on my team. :(

    I guess I also have Bride Ruka. :S She works doesn't she?
     
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  14. nickjr

    nickjr Pushbutton kouhai of whale senpais

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    She works, but it'll be trickier to manage orbs and deal damage and stuff. But yeah, she should work. Sorta like what happens when you put Mitsuki (either one) on XM.
     
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    Aleggs Skyfalls Carry Me

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    Hey y'all, newbie to Sumire, migrating over from NepDra. What are y'all inheriting on your Isis? And would A. SQ be a viable sub for the team in the place of Isis? Thanks!
     
  16. MisterDrgn

    MisterDrgn You can't take the sky from me. Staff Member

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    Isis is for bind clear. You can leave her off the team when you don't need the bind clear, but I don't think there are many situations where she and SQ are interchangeable.
     
  17. 15 Lonely Jackalopes

    15 Lonely Jackalopes Active Member

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    I can make a janky system once I get a lot more investment and looking for thoughts. Sumire, Sumire, Rinoa, Pianis, Alfecca, Friend Sumire. All 7 turn cool down with haste, but only 3 Sumire and two are not orb changers.
     
  18. Sherufanir

    Sherufanir Eschamali unlocked <3

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    If you wanna see Jank teams just look at mine. I'm gunna inherit Urd onto Navi though. But it still PRETTY Jank
     
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  19. shikimikiya

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    Need some sumire friends mine is max skilled and awoken!
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    Am i late to the party? Now that ryune has an sbr and a lower cd i was thinking about using sumire/sumire/sumire/ryune/y'shtola. I started on sumire a while ago but i ended up focusing on waiphon and my dark cards instead. While waiphon will still be my go to heart cross leader for long dungeons like arena since i have no blue spike cards, i think i'd prefer sumire for shorter dungeons because she seems quicker.
     

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