Team Building, Awoken Cao Cao

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  1. axlpowa

    axlpowa Well-Known Member

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    Ronia is indeed annoying, but she can take a while to kill you too if you heal properly (and have Uriel!). She spawns lots of red orbs too, so you can try hitting her without skills. If it works, good, you take about 45-50% of her health (do not make more than a row, because you risk getting her below 30%), if it does not go on until you get a good board and/or have to GTFO.

    Minerva, don't forget you can just stall her 5 shield.

    I don't see how having Stratios+Defoud leaves you naked for Kali (assuming you do not screw up)? Stratios is somewhat stallable, ACC barely needs to stall 1-2 turns and the haste will then bring back all the rest. I usually do not use my heartmaker after 15 because if I blow through all the other floors, he has to be up on Kali. Also not using Antares after 15 most of the time (anyways, too many pre empt to not clear every floor at full HP). So you should have about 1 skill/floor left if you dont stall and then heartmaker+heartbreaker for Kali kill.
     
  2. Snarf

    Snarf PAD Bosses Derezzed | Boromir 332,879,306

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    Stratios. I don't feel comfortable stalling on Stratios with 26K hp, although I agree that it's doable until he hits your hearts with jammers. At that point it's time to kill or be killed, unless you use your heartmaker. So yeah, a couple turns is usually enough to get your short cd actives going again, but at some point you need to kill him.

    Most people, including me, will find it very tough to hit 6 combos reliably with Hero-style leaders. Linking up 9 orbs and then arranging 5 other combos around that with minimal time extension, is a tall order, assuming the color count even exists to get 6 combos. I invariably have to hit a board changer, in which case one can just match rows and off-color 3-orb combos, since ACC will still do enough damage sans 9-orb multiplier. If you can hit a Scarlet and match out 6 combos every time, more power to you.

    Stratios: Use RSonia inherit
    Defound: Use other RSonia inherit
    Kali: Use Urd (+Scarlet)

    That assumes that you hit the combo count both times.

    Laila has mitigated the combo shield problem for my team. I usually use her (+Scarlet) to beat combo shields. Genie is getting re-inherited onto her though, so she won't be available for Stratios/Defoud. Maybe I'll put Genie on a Scarlet.

    Still, combo shields are ACC's greatest challenge, relative to other playstyles. I miss playing Horus / Hathor / Sakuya style leads that eat combo shields for breakfast. Of course, they have their weakness, too, especially in the current meta.
     
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  3. axlpowa

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    Of course not, I don't hit the 6 combos reliably enough to depend on it. I am lucky enough to have Antares so I can only do a standard row to kill Stratios. You would be surprised how often you overkill with ACC. It really sucks that we cannot make a 7-orb row. There are some floors that I don't even use a skill anymore (when the orbs are there) or that I will make effective use of the delay (spawn the orb, rearrange as not to match and match the next turn without an active).

    These are little bits of tricks that all add up a couple percent to your clear rate.

    Also, I don't use Scarlet much for combo shields since she will screw my combos all the time (breaking 3's, leaving only 2 of a color for example). A double orb change leaves you with 4 colors, this is still relatively easy to combo if you have at least 3 of each. I don't like counting on board changes for combo shields because they tend to screw you over, although their success rate is still good.

    I'd say to each their own, if you are comfortable that way and have a good enough clear rate to your taste, please don't listen to me :p
    Also, using bicolor, you can look at optimal boards to have the best solutions, which is indeed a good help too.
     
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  4. RageSedai

    RageSedai Can never decide on a team...

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    I finished all the challenge dungeons with ACC this time around. Did it in coop with my alt account

    I definitely recommend for dungeons that you coop that people farm up either a Surtr or Goemon and use them at the times they are safe. A full fire board can sweep almost any floor that doesn't have a combo shield and their actives are quite powerful and useful.

    Take Care to not use Goemon when it will kill you but oftentimes you can use it as your final kill board without worry. That's when Surtr and Goemon on a team come in handy.
     
  5. kandjar

    kandjar President of the Otaku Waifu Association

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    Wow... I was wondering if you could button clear the Friday Mythical, so I put a team together and try; it's nice to not have to worry about anything here.

    It's obviously MP team due to the SBs requirement.

    Team A:


    Team B:
    Both and work nicely has lead.
    Rest of Team B team is SBs.

    Run, Team A all the way:
    - Odin
    - Ra
    - Anji
    - Goemon, sweep, OHKO.

    Stats:
    - ACC Hypermaxed
    - Odin, +45 ATK
    Rest is un+ed

    Team B leads were hypered.
     
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  6. kandjar

    kandjar President of the Otaku Waifu Association

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    Also, if you happen to have Amaterasu; a great fast build for Surtr:

    Team A: ACC / A.Ama / Beach Goemon / Scarlet x2
    Team B: ACC / Surtr / Goemons / (Sbs provider x2)

    F1: Team A - Amaterasu to celar blinds + ACC or Scarlet
    F2: Team B - Surtr
    F3: Team A - ACC or Scarlet
    F4: If ACC swaped with Ama - Stall
    otherwise: Team B: Goemon
    F5: Team A: Goemon


    Only ACC is hypermaxed
     
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  7. Freddyfudrucker

    Freddyfudrucker Well-Known Member

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    Star Justice fast farm team, fantastic results! Based on this video

    Except our teams were:
    A ACC/Sanada, A Hades, Ilm, Surtr, B Goe
    B ACC/Honjo, Surtr, B Goe, W/L Tengu with Ganesha, Mori

    FL 1 Hades, Ilm
    Fl 2 Surtr
    Fl 3 Honjo
    Fl 4 Surtr
    Fl 5 B Goemon
    Fl 6 B Goemon
    Fl 7 Ganesha, Mori, Sanada swipe, then A kills with a match

    Requires 2 sdrs on ACC with Sanada
    Mori active gets Sanada up
    Only threat is combo shield on FL 1 really--Hades active helps
     
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    Freddyfudrucker Well-Known Member

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    Build for current C10 if you still need it:

    P1: ACC (unbind inherit) | Anji | Surtr | Surtr/Goe | Tengu(A.Freyr)
    P2: ACC (fire enhance orbs) | Sonia(or A.Leilan/ILm/Mori) | Belial | Surtr | BGoemon
    SB Total is 16
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    F1: P1 Unbind, Anji
    F2: P1 Kill Predras
    F3: P2 Sonia + Belial
    F4: P1 Surtr
    F5: P2 Surtr
    F6: P1 Surtr/Goe + Tengu(A.Freyr)
    F7: P2 BGoemon + ACC(fire enhance orb)

    Can get trolled on Zera. I used Leilan and got 8 lights first run but 9 on second.

     
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  9. kandjar

    kandjar President of the Otaku Waifu Association

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    You can also get your active bound for 5 turns on F1. The team has only 60% SLR, no?
     
  10. Freddyfudrucker

    Freddyfudrucker Well-Known Member

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    ACC X 2, belial, tengu and Leilan. If Ronia then yea you risk skill lock at 20%

    Do you need to run it? If so I'll join you if you want.
     
  11. kandjar

    kandjar President of the Otaku Waifu Association

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    In which case, P2 should start and pass to P1 :)

    Note also: Unless your entire team is Hypermax; *DO NOT* bring Mori :) -- See following post.

    It's all good, thx, I cleared it with ACC -- incoming post :)
     
  12. kandjar

    kandjar President of the Otaku Waifu Association

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    I first attempted 3 times C10 with the followin team A:


    With:
    ACC (both friend and mine) hypermaxed
    A.Freyr -> 1 +egg in ATK
    A.Horus -> 16 +eggs in ATK
    Takeru: hypermaxed

    After careful planning with a partner, we managed to easily reached Kali 3 times in a row...
    AND Freaking died 3 times too....

    After hitting her with a full board of enhanced red orbs + Freyr active up, We didnt get A SINGLE SKYFALL COMBO....
    and here's how much HP she had left after that hit:



    Sigh....

    After the third failure, I've decide to update my team, and I switch Anji for Shiva... Gave a few pys to Shiva to make sure he was up in F1 and we easily cleared it (run through with detail in the following post)

    PS: @Freddyfudrucker This is why I wouldn't recommend Mori for the P2 team - the lack of row may not output enough damage if (AND ONLY IF) you dont get an extra skyfall combo....
     
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  13. kandjar

    kandjar President of the Otaku Waifu Association

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    Here's the detail about an alternate run through of C10 with ACC

    Team A:
    Team B:

    Team Info:
    - 18 SBs
    - Both ACC hypermaxed
    - Player's A Takeru hypermaxed
    - Team B: No +eggs.

    Absolute requirement for this team to work:
    For Player A:
    - Shiva's CD needs to be 18!!
    - ACC needs to be max skilled (or one away from being max skilled)
    - A.Horus needs to be max skilled!
    - Takeru and Mori also need to be max skilled
    - A.Horus[Orb changer active] should be either up on F1 or one away from being up (Total CD <=19)
    - ACC[RGY] should be up on F1

    For Player B:
    - No skill up required.

    Run details:

    Player A Starts
    [F1] Player A: ACC[RGY] then Shiva -> wipe
    [F2] Player B: Wipe
    [F3] Player A: Pass to player B
    [F3] Player B: R/D Sonia + Belial (remember: 5 combos MIN)
    [F4] Player A: A.Horus[XMas LiuBei]
    [F5] Player B: XMas Sonia + Takeru
    [F6] Player A: Use Player's B ACC
    [F7] Player B: Pass to Player A
    [F7] Player A (in the following order): Freyr -> Takeru[Mori] -> Player s ACC -> A.Horus = clear

    The skill usage is important to ensure that everything is up on the final floor.
    On the final floor: Freyr will finish charging up Takeru[Mori] and this last one will finish charging both Player's A ACC and A.Horus.

    Note: if F1 tries to bind ACC and fail, u may keep and not use ACC[RGY]; in which case: on F6 use RGY to change the poison to red instead of Player's B ACC which you will use on F7.
     
  14. Freddyfudrucker

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    Edited my post above. I should just stick with exactly what I used...

    And my kali kill had no skyfalls either. ACCs and A Leilan were hyper and B Goe had 50 atk + eggs. Others had negligible eggs.

    Glad you cleared it!
     
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  15. RageSedai

    RageSedai Can never decide on a team...

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    Welp, I need to get back on this train of updating this guide since I've been really focusing on ACC lately as my coop team of choice.

    @Freddyfudrucker @kandjar and anyone else that ran ACC a lot, are you guys still using him?

    I've started pairing up with @ainvar Rowdin since he doesn't have an ACC and it's going rather well. We've started SDR farming with this team and had good luck.

    New Tsubaki sub ult helps a lot on this team as do the staples of Goemon and Surtr.
     
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    RageSedai Can never decide on a team...

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    Rodin/ACC build for SDR farming with @ainvar


    Rage:

    Acc.Grodin/Tsubaki.enhance/BGoe/Surtr/Tsubaki.Kuvia – 8 SB



    Ainvar:

    Rodin.Fenrir/Rodin.Rodin/Goemon/Tsubaki.Chad/Yamato.Prometheus -12 SB



    We need to ensure Godin and Fenrir up by F4, combined 22 SB needed by then. Once my Grodin skills up a turn or two more we can drop Yamato and you can run another Surtr or Goemon for speed



    F1: Ainvar Chad and connect

    F2: Rage Goemon

    F3: Ainvar Prometheus and connect and poison or Goemon and swipe after poison

    F4: Rage Grodin, Fenrir/Laila swipe

    F5: Ainvar whatever active

    F6: Rage Surtr, enhance, swipe

    My current farming build with Ainvar for SDR farming between ACC and Rowdin. Build can be further optimized with less SB once Godin is skilled and currently is already 1 SB over where it needs to be.
     
  17. kandjar

    kandjar President of the Otaku Waifu Association

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    I'm still using him, recently it's been mostly for button style run.
    Whereas for harder contest, if I'm using a red team, I'm more often using Khrishna.

    To be fair, I still like ACC a lot; but most of the player seem to have moved on... :( [except for button runs]
     
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    RageSedai Can never decide on a team...

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    I've been clearing the last few c10 with mine. Only good lead my alt has
     
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