ღ [Team Building] Pandora, Goddess of the Bleak Night ღ

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  1. Argly902

    Argly902 DALTON

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    Eschamali, despite not having devil typing, brings quite a lot to the team and the OE shenanigans should make her only slightly subpar compared to the rest of the ideal subpool
     
  2. ffuts_eerf

    ffuts_eerf Member

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    Has anyone been able to consistently clear any of the rogue dungeons on mythical plus (aka with the predras) solo? If so what team comp and strategy do you use?

    Have been wanting to farm for MP but too difficult to coordinate running coop.
     
  3. ikrol

    ikrol Well-Known Member

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    Z8 I think I used Akechi/ Zuoh/ Lilith/ Sleeping Beauty. I also did it once with Akechi/ Haku/ Zuoh/ Lilith thinking I might be able to burst through the shield. I didn't and barely survived (by like 600 health at one point with a fully hypermaxed team) to kill him a couple turns later. The second version was lucky and not recommended.

    Nordis I think I used the same team as above (with Sleeping Beauty and Lilith).

    Scarlet I used either Akechi/ Lilith/ and 2 out of Haku, Zuoh, and Castor (I can't remember which 2 now).

    The others I haven't bothered trying yet.
     
  4. VampyricTiddle

    VampyricTiddle Lick Lick

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    Cleared Myth+ Z8 with Zuoh/Akechi/Akechi/Claire
    Nordis Myth+ with same but swapped in Lilith for an Akechi (Learned from my Z8 M+)
     
  5. ikrol

    ikrol Well-Known Member

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    What did you use to clear Nordis's dark bind? Or did you just heal through the three turns?
     
  6. VampyricTiddle

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    Healed through it, I didn't have a problem with that.
     
  7. ffuts_eerf

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    What about the predras?
     
  8. VampyricTiddle

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    Well I had to use a burst combo on them before but with Nordis I used Lilith.
     
  9. diz

    diz Active Member

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    I have a Lil (greedy) Probleme with having only 2 Hakus. One is Awoken and is SI to AIsis (You Yu).
    The other is DD for APandora. I love her healing combo with Akechi. But I `need` another AHaku for ALuci.
    Do I have something to compensate DDHaku? Herder is up to date.
    Thanks.
     
  10. Vexed Ego

    Vexed Ego Active Member

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    Hello I was wondering what the ideal Pandora team is now?
     
  11. VampyricTiddle

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    It is still pretty similar to what it was before.

    A.Pandora/SuvoPandora/Akechi/Zuoh/Claire|Persphone|Utility (Lilith for Arena)/A.Pandora
     
  12. igneus

    igneus Well-Known Member

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    Am I wrong in thinking a second apanda would be better than a suvo panda? Because I cooped with someone who had two apanda (instead of an apanda and a suvo panda) and the 3 hastes (including one from the friend panda) they had were super useful in getting actives back up after using them, and so the team felt a lot safer than if they had had a suvo panda instead.

    All you seem to be losing by changing to an apanda is a TPA and a Time extend, which you don't really need on panda teams, but you gain another dark row, which provides more damage. You also lose some Rcv, but if the team is hypermax, that won't be much of a problem.
     
  13. Golden119

    Golden119 Monsieur Gung-ho, you are spoiling us.

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    Other benefits to S.Panda are -
    Own active back faster
    Enhanced hearts
    Dark sub-element

    I'm pretty sure RCV is the main reason, especially if you are carrying Zuoh. The usual answer to the HP/RCV question is "Bring enough HPs, then all the RCV you can find", and A.Panda pretty much always has enough HPs by default.

    (Also maybe a point, if you already had a skilled Panda, you didn't have to waste all that investment on re-skilling her Awoken form ;))
     
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    I think the real question is "better for what?" With descends and most rushes, it won't matter which one because you'll win either way.

    It really is only going to matter in longer dungeons. If you use the sub Pandora first, then the haste of an A.Pandors isn't really going to help at that point because everything is up already (especially if you are playing coop; A.Pandora I'd usually the longest cooldown at 9, with most all other subs at 8 (Zuoh, Akechi, Haku, Persephone, etc.)). Then the Pandora leaders will help haste back the sub Pandora while you use other skills. A UUevo Pandora will be up one turn earlier than A.Pandora in this case. Also, if you used your sub skills before the hastes of the leaders (which, of course, will depend on the board, the situation, etc.), then the subs would all be back to rotate again, and you'd only be left without a skill when you exhaust those and need your leaders up a second time (which is where the haste would come in from the sub Pandora). So, depending on the order of skill usage, most dungeons aren't going to matter in terms of haste because everything is dead by the time you cycle through anyway.

    In longer dungeons, UUevo Pandora may need to stall an extra turn, but that is offset by extra RCV and enhanced hearts on the active. A.Pandora will get other skills up a turn earlier and provide more HP and attack. If we are talking about Arena, there are plenty of places to stall such that either should work well (I've certainly seem team comps using either), but it might be a slightly different play style with little changes in burst and recovery.

    Anyway...all this long post pretty much says is that they both offer trade offs that 95% of the time won't matter. The times where they finally do matter, it will probably be subjective as to the dungeon for which will be better, but both will probably work fine (depending in part on what other subs you are using).

    *Disclaimer- I haven't cooped nearly enough to know what skill rotations are like in there on longer dungeons. The haste might mean more in that situation, but I don't really know.
     
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    @Golden119 @ikrol thanks for the replies! Yeah I had forgotten about suvo panda's enhanced heal orbs. They are often immensely useful when stalling, but with two apanda, you have to stall that one turn less anyway, so I see the trade off.

    I haven't skilled my suvo panda yet, so I'm still not 100% sure whether to change to apanda. We'll see how it goes. I think I might prefer the haste play style tho.
     
  16. Diesel

    Diesel You are already dead...

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    I prefer a second Awoken Panda on the team for sure over UUEvo. As you mentioned the extra awakenings aren't all that useful in the TPA an TE, she's really only useful as an RCV stick.

    That being said the haste on APanda's active hands down makes it better. It equalizes the overall CD of the actives and brings everyone else's down another one too. That can be HUGE in having the right actives up at the right time. Especially if you're running something with a short CD like Grisar, DValk, or Hanzo.

    With a good Panda active in general you should have the proper hearts to heal back up.
     
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    I've said this a few times, so I apologize for the repetition, but Castor can also be a great sub for just about any dungeon (I'll use him up through some legend plus dungeons, especially Scarlet). It provides haste on an even shorter CD so that it can get back up more quickly each time to help things cycle even quicker. The OEs and board clear can also be really helpful. When Castor's Uevo comes over, it'll be even better with the extra skill boosts and God killer. The off-type part typically doesn't matter as much because you already have high enough HP and RCV for most everything, and Castor has naturally high attack.
     
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    Diesel You are already dead...

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    True you just need to be careful about stacking too many subs that are off type because after 1-2 you start to really see the effects via RCV.
     

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