Click team for Scarlet with min. effort, plusses and Slv. Explanations updated!

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  1. wangatang0830

    wangatang0830 Well-Known Member

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    http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/th...jp-and-na-versions-updated-10-may-2016.92322/
    The thread linked above is the traditional method. However, there is a new version available now that allows for NO PASSING, NO MATCHING (with Ares' skill), ONLY PLUSSES ON LEADERS and LESS SKILL LEVELS!

    Ideal team composition (17 SBs):
    Player A:
    Goemon (leader) - no skill level, +99 atk.
    Goemon - slv 4
    Goemon - slv 3
    Ult Mithril (1713) - inheriting Fencer
    Ult Tengu - inheriting A.Freyr, 2 SDR latents

    A.Horus can replace Ult Mithril. But due to having 1 less SB both parties need to do a 1 combo on F1.


    Player B:
    Goemon (leader) - no skill level, +99 atk.
    Goemon - slv 4
    Goemon - slv 3
    Goemon - slv 2
    UUevo Yamato - inheriting A.Sakuya



    Floor by floor guide:
    F1 - A: goemon and swipe
    F2 - B: goemon and swipe
    F3 - A: goemon and swipe
    F4 - B: goemon and swipe
    F5 - A: fencer, and match any light or fire or 5 blues
    F6 - B: A.Sakuya then goemon and swipe
    F7 - A: 0 combo (take the delay); B: match any light or fire; A: A.Freyr then goemon and swipe
    F8 - B: goemon and swipe

    With only +egg on leaders, each floor is 100% guaranteed to kill with a minimum of 1 plus orb on screen.

    My personal team, me as A and @DJKC as B:
    Screenshot_2016-05-23-10-23-43.gif

    So if you're interested feel free to leave your ID below and enjoy free MP heaven :)


    Source: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4528907232
     
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  2. wangatang0830

    wangatang0830 Well-Known Member

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    Reserved.

    Some explanations:

    The goal of this team is to let Team B do all the hard hitting. So if team B is mono-red the need for +eggs is significantly reduced. However this means that team A needs to carry most of the support skills.


    Why Mithril?

    Mithril comes with 3 SBs and a very short CD, and most importantly is not green hence will not get bound by Kraken. Predra follows Kraken so the Fencer carrier cannot be bound.

    Why A.Freyr?

    Team A is not mono-red, so will not guarantee to kill Scarlet first form without a boost. A.Freyr boost damage for 2 turns hence is the ideal choice.

    Why A.Sakuya?

    The main purpose is to remove the bind on Team A's Tengu, as when bound, SDR latent will not be effective. The gravity part reduce the need of attack plus eggs vs Hera Ur.
    Lmeta can be used here if one does not have A.Sakuya. But that means team B would need more attack plus eggs.
     
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  3. Azzablags

    Azzablags terrible case of Sopdet Skyfall Syndrome

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    @wangatang0830 is there a way to make this work for EU/NA as we don't have access to fencer
     
  4. DJKC

    DJKC ♪走りばなしのノンストップライフ♪

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    Chat from discussing the logistics of it last night. Math is based around level 560.

    22:27 djkc It's about 2.5 minutes per run too
    22:28 djkc Half hour per 12 runs. And 1 stone == 12 runs == 8000-9000mp if you sell everything.
    22:29 djkc So if you felt like stoning, 2.5 hours for 5 stones and 40-45k mp. Basically guaranteeing 6 star GFE exchange rate.
    22:30 djkc ~14 hours and 30-35 stones for 300k mp.
    22:30 djkc That would be soul crushing though.
    22:30 djkc 14 hours of that O.O
    22:31 djkc Actual stone usage would be less
    22:31 djkc You'd get around 17 million rank xp in the process
    22:32 djkc For me that would be 20 rank ups
    22:33 djkc So... maybe 15 stones for 300k mp?
    22:33 djkc That seems too low, I may have missed something.
    22:35 djkc Nope, math checked out. 336 runs in 14 hours. 240 runs free from rank ups.
    22:35 djkc You'll run into some efficiency mismatches though.
    22:35 djkc Ie, run out of stamina, stone, tank two runs later.
    22:36 djkc But if you do 14 hours with spread across a week to fix that with 2 hours per day, then it's even cheaper.
    22:37 djkc Or just don't stone, obviously, and get 12 minimum, up to 30 or so runs per day.
     
  5. wangatang0830

    wangatang0830 Well-Known Member

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    Sadly I can't find any alternative to Fencer. Sorry. Defense break + dark immunity is crucial in this dungeon.
     
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  6. Azzablags

    Azzablags terrible case of Sopdet Skyfall Syndrome

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    I figured that would be the case guess is back to planning out how to run with machine zeus with minimal fuss
     
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    Azzablags terrible case of Sopdet Skyfall Syndrome

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  9. Wishy

    Wishy SHRAPNEL

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    You don't really need to max skill Goemons, you are gonna have 17 skill boosts so I think you only need one Goemon on 17 CD, other on 18 and other on 19.
     
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    Azzablags terrible case of Sopdet Skyfall Syndrome

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    Yeah I know that but would rather just max skill anyway as I'd use dupes for awakening rather than spending tamas. On the bright side think I've got mZeus strategy sorted 6/6 last night about 4 mins per run
     
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    Wishy SHRAPNEL

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    What's the point of using dupes though? You do end up spending a lot more stamina on materials (jewels...) than TAMADRAs.

    Btw, what's your Mech Zeus strategy? Been looking to get one myself.
     
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    Working on Team A since I have A.Saku A.Freyr and Fencer ready. Just need Mythril and Gooeys.
     
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    BoBo Awoken Yomi / Verdandi

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    Some NA use Genie for Team A.

    So here in JP, Team B (Yamato/Horus - Ares)
    - No stall when the dungeon is available
    - Charge skill when in coin for invades (SI)

    Netted me about 100k MPs so far.
     
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    Sorry if this seems like a stupid question, but do the AFreyr and Fencer have to be max skilled for this to work? Also, what is the maximum or average MP per run of scarlet?
     
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    DJKC ♪走りばなしのノンストップライフ♪

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    500 if you feed everything else for pluses. Otherwise around 580-590.
     
  16. iammeh

    iammeh Back to playing on Alt. Account

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    I may start to work on Team B. Annoying all my godfest rolls have not been attack eggs. But I want MP to buy orchid seeing as my former alt. (now current main) is decidedly lacking in MP and it being non-iap significantly hampers me in terms of getting MP the easy (?) way.
     
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    wangatang0830 Well-Known Member

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    Whilst I certainly welcome more people to join the Goemon army, but there is also the new A.LB/Dios army that has more universal uses and is cheaper to build (don't need pys apart from LB himself). See this thread for an easy to build Linthia team: http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/th...end-with-min-investment-na-eu-friendly.93980/

    I'm really low IAP at the moment and therefore rogues are my main source of MP. On average I gain over 10k MP every time Scarlet or Linthia comes around in daily descend. It's defo slower than rolling REM but if you're patient your MP will rocket over time.

    Edit: Z8 and Scarlet guides with LB are done. See sig
     
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    dropping by just to make sure of something... i got my goemons ready, just need some skilling up on the dark resist to get the team rolling. i will describe the teams below, so please let me know if i'm missing some crucial point:
    team 1: Goemon/Goemon/Goemon/GGY (inherit Angelious)/ROdin.
    team 2: Goemon/Goemon/Goemon/NY Yamatake (inherit A.Horus)/Ronia

    GGY is an unbindable green bait with a low CD for Angelious (could use A.Ama, GOdin, green dragon knight or Thumbelina, but i think GGY is the best one?). Angelious is only 2 turns dark resist, but it is enough, right? i have a Genie inherited on my Sephiroth team and don't wanna bother changing right now. ROdin is for PreDRAs, obviously. Ronia is there because no double orb changer for player #2... i figure this will give us the best odds.

    team 1 has 8 SBs, team 2 has 7 right now, 8 once we get the update for NY Yamatake (plus dragon killer).

    did i miss anything?
     
  19. *A44

    *A44 Inelegant but efficient.

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    I could work on this team, but I have no Freyr... but I have Ace. Will he do? He has a minimum of 15 turns but otherwise a similar skill. Hastes 2 turns and boosts fire and dark.
     
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    You should since the amp isn't needed till Scarlet floor so you have 2-3 turns from just regular progress to make up the 2 turn difference.

    Ace CD - 15
    Tengu - 4

    19-17 SB = 2Turn difference.

    A-B-A-B-A-B You have 3 turns to get it up

    Issue would be since it is 1 turn would there be enough dmg to kill Scarlet first form since as stated Team A isn't Mono Red.
     
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