My reply to Mantastic's State of the Game

My interest has been waning for a while as well, but the fact that I'm still playing after 2000+ days speaks to the quality of the game.

 

I have to agree, I actually don't like the state of the game currently. Like for example, even though I pulled Aljae, one of the newest GFEs and paired it with Menoa who also is a recent GFE addition, I could NOT kill Vidar. Like Vidar isn't even a new dungeon albeit somewhat recent, but that combination was literally incapable of beating that dungeon; in the past, most teams were able to beat anything that was put out, sure, some definitely took more effort than others but it wasn't impossible to beat. Now, unless you have to absolute ideal team, you don't even need to think about trying the dungeon unless you have 99 stam to just throw away and mind you, now more than ever, the bosses are more volatile than ever, capable of flat out killing you in one turn from out of no where without warning.

Lately, for the last several months or so, unless there are some exchanges I want to trade in for collab collectibles, I don't even spend my stamina and even if I decided to get them, I do it because I feel like I have to, not because I want to. I'll just get on, do the gift dungeon and collect my magic stones and log out. I've lost interest in the game, mostly because team building was one of the few aspects of the game I enjoyed about the game and now with actives and assists pretty much being locked in place, I have little to no flexibility in whom to bring on my team. Looking at the state of Monthly Quests, I don't think I've finished a C9 or C10 in many months now because of how ridiculous they've become and they only reflect what the state of the game is in now.

Looking back at it, back when A1 came out, that was really an enjoyable time because there was a challenge placed in front of us and we were mostly able to bring any team we wanted to beat it. Obviously, some teams/leads were easier than others but it wasn't impossible. Now though, don't even bother if you don't bring the right actives and that's just sad. Even though I have the actives available to me, I don't even want to do it because I'm no longer doing it because it's fun, I'm doing it just because it's something I haven't beaten yet; that and the fact that since I no longer do anything with my stamina, I don't mind throwing away 99 stam per attempt.

 

Yeah I mostly agree. There are just too many automatic run-ending mechanics with highly specialized solutions at this point in time. Few teams can cover the full spectrum of AA4, for example, without riding heavily on RNG. I have numerous high-end, fully competent teams, but there’s no point in attempting it with any team other than Yomi/Norza unless I just want to waste my time and stamina.

I get it, not every team should work for every dungeon. And I’m fine with that. I just wish so many of the mechanics didn’t center around “Do you have the correct active/awakening/latent at this exact moment?” as opposed to “Are you skilled enough to pass this?”. There aren’t enough moments like Lakshmi and Eir, and too many “Pass our check to see if you can VDP, FUA and hit 8 combos or die next turn” moments when there’s a 99% chance you will never pull that off without a very specific form of active, awakening, leader skill, or all three.

 

While I agree with the general sentiment behind the post, Vidar could be considered a fringe case in that Vidar has 12.5 BILLION effective HP (25 billion against a team full of monsters with devil typing). I failed Vidar's dungeon with a pretty solid Aten team then switched to a Barbara & Julie team built specifically for Vidar's dungeon (complete with a level 110 base Suou with 2 attacker killers and 1 healer killer) after reading a PAD reddit post about someone using B&J to clear the dungeon.

The results were staggering.



That's after the first B&J active. The second one is ready to go!

I would argue that Menoa x Aljae is meta (though unforgiving; miss an L-match and you're probably toast). B&J is most certainly not meta. But a strong B&J team can farm Vidar fairly consistently.

Menoa x Aljae can be extremely strong in the right dungeon, but Vidar is not that dungeon.

TL;DR: Don't gauge the strength of a team on one or a small handful of dungeons. There's still a lot of fun to be had using niche teams for niche purposes.

(And also, B&J is fantastic.)

EDIT: But I do agree with Mantastic and other PAD players who complain (and rightfully so) that PAD endgame dungeons are obnoxious "gear checks" to see how much utility you can cram in to one team. There's certainly still a skill element involved, but there are some team elements you just can't skip.

 

Oh? A pixel Bride Escha team? Would you mind sharing the team build?

I have Bride Escha on both my NA accounts and I was considering switching her to the pixel evo.

There's no substitute for baby cuddles. <3 I have fond memories of playing DS games while sitting with my older child when she was tiny. Enjoy these moments, demanding though they may be!

Agreed.

This is not the first time I've forgotten how strong a lead B&J is. I know the meta has shifted to asymmetrical pairings, auto FUA, and a focus on VDP, but a 4/256/4 symmetrical lead pairing with a bunch of killer awakenings is still really strong in the right situation.

 

2,679 days of play. Not play much any more. There are many reasons on the decline. The main reason would be the bad luck on pull REM and hardly get the new leader. End up playing the old strong cards over and over. I have tons of cards but most of them are useless as the old cards are not as good as new cards. Most of my friends changed to new strong leader but I didn’t have one and could not pair with them. At ranking above 900, not much fun with old leaders. Finally, I’m in stage of playing less even though new contents could be fun for other players.

 

I know this is dredging up a nearly month old post, but hey, it's also the most recently replied to in this section so whatever, lol.

I have to agree in general about PAD currently being either way too hard or way too easy, in that gear-check style.

It's absolutely obnoxious to have to do so, when if you break down the colors, it could be that one color just outperforms others, and even after playing for a ridiculously long time, still don't have a certain TYPE of lead. (how can i play this long, and not currently have a possible row or blob dark lead with a multiplier higher than x8?!)

Absorb-over-X is still the most obnoxious mechanic to work around from it's relative rarity to counter with an active (they exist, but IMO, not enough)

I really wish i had something like Mega Kanna for every color, but not a single other color has what she offers me, so i cram her into every possible team she can go in (100% blind, cloud, & tape (because light got that farmable tape assist not too long ago), an active that doesn't interfere with orbs, but also boosts dmg (for dragon and god, which makes it pretty wide to work with) and skill bumps others)

There might be a hint of a golden age coming up, if they can get on the ball with spreading out some of the mechanic countering, but a lot of what i've seen coming form the jp side is a lot of nothing-special, for example, i was pretty hype to hear the BNHA collab to be a thing, but then i saw the cards, and for most of it my only thought is "Oh, i... don't need this, i already have better", which feels really strange for new limited collab stuff from a mega popular current anime.

Off the DMC collab, i snagged Nero, and i got kindof excited to try something new, until i realized that after using him a bit, he's really just an inferior chakeol with a need to transform. Now i'm contemplating just turning him into his assist, though i really hate doing that to collab cards.

I also don't like researching dungeons, and i absolutely hate taking some team in, say, my Aten team i pair with Dyers, and finding out said dungeon has the only single thing i didn't have a fix for, to just pilfer 50-99 stamina from me.

For example, i trotted into quetzal in the quest dungeons just earlier, expecting some moderate difficulty, but i'm running a 7x6 board with 125k hp, and killers left and right, a VDP, plenty of time, orb changers, as well as blind, tape, and cloud immunity, auto-FUA from dyer, recovery out the wazoo... except... oh look, absorb-over-X [Arcline] shows up, and i didn't put that active on someone. And of course, it's basically impossible somehow for me to shoot below it, so fuck me, i guess.

...at least it took him 60 turns to steal my rcv orbs when i couldn't put them back. :/


As a whole, the game is bloated, but doing decently well to mitigate that, but failing at times, i can't say it's a dark age for PAD, but it certainly doesn't feel like a golden one right now, even a month after this thread.

But i'm also just a super-casual, who only has one crown to his name (not that i try), and hasn't even set foot into the real endgame stuff because i know how un-fun it will be.


Also, transform leads suck in general, they can't be LB'd, can't get super awakens, on top of the skillboost hoarding needed, and then they keep putting out new ones that are equal or subpar to already existing stuff, why bother?! My Aten team for making use of dyer friends only works because somehow the team has a ton of SBs anyway, everything else is a struggle to even make a fun team, much less an actual workhorse team for anything with more difficulty than ganesha's treasure trove.

 

I've actually been playing and enjoying PAD a lot more the last couple weeks. After about 20 runs and endless team changes I'm finally comfortable in Alt Arena. There were a LOT of deaths, but it was rewarding to incrementally make team changes to get to a point where I don't feel like fodder. First couple runs the dungeon slaughtered me. Now i can clear the dungeon a reasonable amount of the time. The journey from the first run to the most recent run has been fun/rewarding because I felt like I learned a great deal.

It is kinda like a golden age for me. This is the most fun I've had playing PAD in a long time.

 

I'd like to ask where those are and on what, because i'm sitting on exactly three, and only one is an equipment. I won't say i have everything or whatnot, but i feel like i have a rather robust box and have been playing awhile, and it seems pretty sparse.

Doesn't help i've never gotten a Fujin. The glory of RNG. I'd hazard a guess is a lot came along form collab or seasonals during the time i went on extended haitus from the game and lost about 40% of my friends list, lol.

Spinners only tend to annoy me when they use some weird random spattering on the board, otherwise i've actually taken advantage of making extra orbs i wanted out of them... on average at least. My chakeol team kindof hates them, lol.

I find it difficult to keep up with whats the "best" right now, but i've found so so very many transform leads to be massively underwhelming, though that probably has to do a lot with needing the skillboost cramming and my box not having optimal subs for them.

...not to mention them disappearing from my list after i go to make a first-draft team to try them out... i wish the 'new' on the FL wouldn't just vanish so quickly sometimes.

 

Yeah, it seems to have blown up right during my break. I remember fujin coming out, but it was some time shortly after that i think i hibernated. I'm sitting on just Lugh and the shaman king golem (which i got in the recent run of said collab) in forms i can use them (i actually forgot about the SK golem), with a Sherias and an Orya.

A ton of people on my FL use Yugi, which actually reminds me how i pored over my box for so long to come to the conclusion that i have rather few dark devils that actually... work decently, lol, in fact, all of the ones you listed i ended up hitting the same thing. Big fat box full of fancy shit, and specifically few of the very things i need to run with other people's transform leads.

It'll probably make a big turn around when a bunch of older things that are likely on the verge of getting new forms finally do so. Oh well, the game is still fun enough.

 

Hello my Friend (In game BF)
I'm just like you! An old player, I started playing this game here in Japan in the very first week the game was released.
I moved to the US version in 2015 (due language issue), and I have a massive monster box right now, but my favorite play style was always rainbow+combo+noskyfalls, so I usually play with Colorful Ideal, Yashamaru etc.
But yeah... It's not like before anymore!
I think the game has aged, (as have we) Pad can be considered an old game, but still around... and so we are.
Like any old game, we lose a little motivation over time.

There are a lot of casual players around, a lot of people who don't do dungeon or strategy research because stamina is no longer important, since we won't be playing that long.

This game needs something new...
I have a lot of monster points...Like 7 millions+ and would
be great be able to get better Latents or better monsters from that obsolete monster shop for example.

Anyway...
I feel you, we share a lot of common opinions.

btw: If you need some unusual, old school helper friend to pair with, just let me know by in-game message.

 

I was a heavy IAP back in 2016, investing about $1k in this game and never getting anything.
Strangely, after I stopped (I still buy some bundles to support the game I love) things improved for me in a similar way, I have an account full of amazing things now, but with no motivation to invest time in team building

I have 2 Fenrir Viz, plus some jammer makers, but I never considered this.
I'll try this sometime.

IMO the main problem in this game nowadays, is that we have a lot of base to cover on a few slots.
Assistance resists for example is a must, but sometimes they don't bring the best actives at all.

As you said, sometimes we die in stupid ways just because we don't have the right tool in our small bag.
In a world where so many new tools are needed, this discourages the team building aspect, which was once one of the most fun parts of the game for me.